Comments on: Intelligent Design Venn Diagram

By: mike

mike — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:57:10 +0000

Isaac Newton had serious doubts about your god before he died, it was told by his lifetime friend alexander pope in his biography.I like the way people ramble on about faith as if it was something that can be quantified. with apologies to voltaire “I believe therefore its true”.we could discuss this forever, the devout will not change ,it has been that way for thousands of years with all the different gods and dieties and this god has just stuck around a bit longer.

By: Joe

Joe — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:48:22 +0000

Dear god that was a long comment.

By: Joe

Joe — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:48:03 +0000

Unfortunately, there’s not much difference between the intelligence of atheists and religious people. This comment section proves that beyond a doubt.
Lots of Christians, Muslims and such are extremely intelligent. They just haven’t been shown proof there isn’t a god out there. Lots of atheists are very smart and have become so convinced that there isn’t a god that they stop rationally thinking about it. And unfortunately the smart people are too smart to leave comments on boards like this, where they know nobody will pay any attention except to attack it.
The world isn’t screwed up because of religion, and it isn’t screwed up because of a lack of religion.
To Tomb: it isn’t that not believing is there makes you a crackpot, it’s that believing it isn’t there does. It’s a fine distinction, but the difference is: if you don’t believe it’s there, then if somebody presents you with proof, you’ll then believe it’s there. If you believe it isn’t there, then you won’t acknowledge any evidence, you won’t listen to explanations, you don’t want to hear it. That’s the kind of position serious atheists take: it isn’t that they don’t believe in god, it’s that they have a strong belief that god does not, cannot exist, and if you try to say otherwise, they’ll ostracize and ignore you for threatening their beliefs.
Know what’s caused more deaths than religion has? Greed. Also, anger. Mostly born of greed. And envy, also usually born of greed. Also accidents, and every known force of nature.
Science can’t answer deep questions, like why we’re here or where the first matter came from. So some people come up with a belief that god made the world, just like some scientists come up with a belief that…well, there currently isn’t a believable explanation. The big bang explains nothing, honestly. It isn’t that faith and science are incompatible. Is it incompatible or incompatable? I can’t remember right now. Anyway, there are questions to which the most sensible answer is a god. And yes, there are a lot of religious people who try to apply outdated religious answers to questions with modern answers, but not the majority. See, there’s no possible scientific explanation for a meaning of life. According to pure data all existence is utterly meaningless. Therefore we need something else to give it meaning. Some say “Why can’t we just agree that the meaning of life is to help each other?” or “To make the world a better place?” or whatever, but all those ideals are utterly meaningless until you find some irrational concept like god to tie it together. So religion is a good source for a purpose in life. And atheism is becoming another religion, in that it gives people an alternative purpose in life: to destroy religious people’s purpose in life. Which seems kind of sick and pathetic to me, but whatever. Cheerful nihilist over here. I’m cool with whatever you want to value.
Somebody up there disputed Quiet’s rather well-reasoned comment by likening it to saying that since people used to believe the earth was flat it must be true. First off, I hate when people say that. Most people never believed the earth was flat. That’s just a popular story. It was well-known even among the common people two, three thousand years ago that the earth was spherical. More importantly, he didn’t say that because lots of smart people believed in gods there has to be a god. He said that because smart people believed in gods, it’s obvious that smart people CAN believe in gods. See, I’m betting that there is not one person reading this comment thread who is as smart as, say, Isaac Newton was. Or even close. But he believed strongly in the existence of God. He looked for answers in this world because he thought he would learn more about his god by studying His work, which is a commendable life’s goal, I’d say. He discovered a lot of things, but nothing that made him decide there was no god. Does that mean that there is a god? No. But it means you don’t have to be an idiot to keep your mind open to the possibility there could be.
Me? I must be proof that faith = stupid, because in spite of my Wonderlic score of 44 and IQ of 149, because of my (admittedly weak) faith in people’s ability to listen to reason, I’m getting involved in this debate. Oh well.
Try not to flame me too much for this. Please remember that neither my mother, my weight, nor my sexual orientation is significant to this topic.

By: boomer61

boomer61 — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:33:01 +0000

Stupidity and religion are the same thing, delusional people thinking that there is some kind of invisible god living in the sky… This is why the world is such a screwed up place!

By: Ian

Ian — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:55:51 +0000

@Bob Hunter

You don’t even know what a Liberal is.

By: Bob Hunter

Bob Hunter — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:14:53 +0000

Everything liberals say they are, they in fact are not. They are not open minded. They are not tolerant. They are certainly not enlightened. Put circles around extremely hateful, racist, bigoted, arrogant, and ignorant, and the overlap will be liberal.

By: Tomb

Tomb — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:09:00 +0000

“Belief in the absense (sic) of proof is faith”

Congratulations! You fail the internets! I guess it goes like this: there’s nothing to make me believe that giant squids fly through the ionosphere at supersonic speeds. Since there’s no proof either way, you’re a crackpot for believing it, but you’re also a crackpot for not believing. That makes good sense…

By: Tomb

Tomb — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:04:22 +0000

@Matt-Cas
There are very few socialists in the Democratic party; that’s just what Fox Noize has programmed you to believe. And there are mindless conspiracy theorists in the Democratic party? Oh please; as long as Glenn Beck, Michelle Bachmann and Rush Limbaugh exist, the warped pseudo-stupid mantle of “willing to believe anything” is a right-wing prerequisite.

By: ravious

ravious — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:01:36 +0000

The Religious are insane and nothing they say should ever be considered as a rational thought as through their own admission of being religious are unable to separate fact from fiction. Religion and the mindless fools that follow it are truly a plague upon the entire human race and have truly been the most awesome and devastating weapon of mass destruction this planet has ever seen. There has been no Political Leader, Army, Bomb, or Virus that has even come close to the sheer death toll caused by Religion. As a matter of FACT the only thing that has ever topped the deaths of Religion was the six mile wide meteorite that slammed into the earth killing everything on it some 65 million years ago, thats it, nothing else has ever come close.

Unlike other mental illnesses, Religion mimics that of a viral infection, as it, if left unchecked will spread like wildfire infecting everything uneducated in its path. See, It’s very difficult to convince an educated person that there is an invisible man living in the clouds, this is why children are injected with Religion at a young age. Their innosense and lack of knowledge of how the world works leaves them defenceless against the attacks of Religious infection often resulting in a devastating lifelong sickness that leaves the infected indoctrinated with a mindset that has taught them to reject fact in favor of fiction. This way the infected never becomes educated and loses faith as it always rejects anything thats logical as an attack upon their God by some unseen demon in the night. That person then grows up, had children of their own and looks forwards to infecting their children with the sickness as well.

Religion and those who follow it must be stopped, at any cost.

By: ohnojojo

ohnojojo — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:35:13 +0000

Spot on. To all you haters out there, if you think that belief in any religion that involves sky-dwelling ego maniacs and uses a book as the word of “god” isn’t stupid, then you fall into that grouping as well.