Again, I just want to point out that all you have here is two pictures. You assume a Christian wrote the note in the first picture, but the internet is full of liars and flamers. It is just as likely that the person who posted the pic of the dinosaur also wrote the note and posted it with the intention of creating controversy for page hits.

@just a thought: why would anyone waste time doing that? o_0

I know I already posted this, but I wasn’t sure where to put it to get the most feedback, so here goes.

People can believe whatever they want. yes. yes. I agree. Freedom of thought.

But why does is seem like the Christian world is using science to further explain their beliefs? It’s as though they subconsciously realize science is “winning” in the constant search for the answers to the big questions?

When I was in Hebrew School, they denied even talking about dinosaurs. One teacher even responded with something like “Some animals were evil and had reproduced with each other and had ‘freak animals’, and Noah didn’t take them on the boat. That’s why we see fossils of Dinos today”…Oh please…

Back to my point. The Christian world is slowly seeing that science (not to say there is no science in the bible) is gaining in supporters over the past century, so now we see this Creationism Museums.

Some better examples of what I’m talking about. Go to this website.
http://www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html

It’s basically using all the work that the scientific world is using and saying “Since it’s so complicated, there must be a deity that designed it all.” Which may or may not be true, who really knows? The point is…

Imagine if this Christian (or any religion, you get the idea) website was copied on parchment in the 1600′s. The editors would be burned at the stake. But now, Religion is accepting more and more ideas (completely understandable), but trying to make it all still fit in.

Please respond with kindness and intellectualism to this post. I would love to hear peoples’ opinions against/for my own. Thank you.

Kash :
I ask the question again though is why would you trust a scientist? They change their mind all the time, and their predictions are as dependable as the weather. Earth isn’t flat anymore, and what was that whole ordeal with the sun and the earth revlution pattern?
Ya ask me, they can’t be trusted!

As for this bit of extreme ignorance. If science cant be trusted, stay the fuck off the computer. Never get another shot at the doctors office. OR take any medicine for that matter. You are SURROUNDED by things that are the direct result of SCIENCE. Christians thought the earth was round, and CHRISTIANS thought the earth was the center of the universe. The geocentric idea, is a religoius based idea. Not science.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/thermo/probability.html

Creationists believe that the second law of thermodynamics does not permit order to arise from disorder, and therefore the macro evolution of complex living things from single-celled ancestors could not have occurred. The creationist argument is based on their interpretation of the relationship between probability and a thermodynamic property called “entropy.”

The Hebrew word Chuwg means a flat-circle like a coin as you said. The Hebrew word for a sphere like a ball is Duwr.

He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball (Duwr) into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord’s house. (Isaiah 22:18)

ALthough Duwr doesnt literally translate into sphere, its alot closer then chuwg, which refers to a circle. A circle and a sphere are two different things. A coin is a circle. A basketball is a sphere.

http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_3.htm

When scientists speak of evolution as a theory they do not mean that it is a mere speculation. It is a theory in the same sense as the propositions that the earth is round rather than flat or that our bodies are made of atoms are theories. Most people would consider such fundamental theories to be sufficiently tested by empirical evidence to conclude that they are indeed facts. As a result of the massive amount of evidence for biological evolution accumulated over the last two centuries, we can safely conclude that evolution has occurred and continues to occur. All life forms, including humans, evolved from earlier species, and all still living species of organisms continue to evolve today. They are not unchanging end-products.

I had a whole post showing why scientists consider evolution to be fact, but for some reason it didnt work. Maybe it was to long.Idk.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/search/topicbrowse2.php?topic_id=46

The theory of evolution is broadly accepted by scientists — and for good reason! Learn about the diverse and numerous lines of evidence that support the theory of evolution.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/_0_0/lines_01

http://www.allaboutcreation.org/evidence-for-evolution.htm

I had a whole post showing why scientists consider evolution to be fact, but for some reason it didnt work. Maybe it was to long.Idk.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/search/topicbrowse2.php?topic_id=46

The theory of evolution is broadly accepted by scientists — and for good reason! Learn about the diverse and numerous lines of evidence that support the theory of evolution.

http://www.allaboutcreation.org/evidence-for-evolution.htm

http://records.viu.ca/~johnstoi/essays/courtenay1.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils

Im still posting this, even tho ALL fossils are transitional.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC200.html
# There are many transitional fossils. The only way that the claim of their absence may be remotely justified, aside from ignoring the evidence completely, is to redefine “transitional” as referring to a fossil that is a direct ancestor of one organism and a direct descendant of another. However, direct lineages are not required; they could not be verified even if found. What a transitional fossil is, in keeping with what the theory of evolution predicts, is a fossil that shows a mosaic of features from an older and more recent organism.

# Transitional fossils may coexist with gaps. We do not expect to find finely detailed sequences of fossils lasting for millions of years. Nevertheless, we do find several fine gradations of fossils between species and genera, and we find many other sequences between higher taxa that are still very well filled out.

http://www.livescience.com/animals/090211-transitional-fossils.html

One frequently cited “hole” in the theory: Creationists claim there are no transitional fossils, aka missing links. Biologists and paleontologists, among others, know this claim is false.

As key evidence for evolution and species’ gradual change over time, transitional creatures should resemble intermediate species, having skeletal and other body features in common with two distinct groups of animals, such as reptiles and mammals, or fish and amphibians.

These animals sound wild, but the fossil record — which is far from complete — is full of them nonetheless, as documented by Occidental College geologist Donald Prothero in his book “Evolution: What the Fossils Say and Why It Matters” (Columbia University Press, 2007). Prothero discussed those fossils last month at the American Museum of Natural History in New York, along with transitional fossils that were announced since the book was published, including the “fishibian” and the “frogamander.”

At least hundreds, possibly thousands, of transitional fossils have been found so far by researchers. The exact count is unclear because some lineages of organisms are continuously evolving.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/03/0308_060308_evolution.html

Human Genome Shows Proof of Recent Evolution, Survey Finds

I just wanted to take a minute to pray for all of you.
Lord, touch these peoples hearts. Help them to understand your word and fall in love with you. Soften their hearts and open their eyes. Help them to see how loving you are. I pray in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.

People pray out loud all the time with or for others. You can’t hear me talking so I typed. And I wasn’t praying for your fortune, I was praying for your soul because what good is your fortune when your dead. God doesn’t need your money, he wants you in heaven with him.

A wish is never answered. A prayer is. Be prepared. Your gonna get saved!

I’m confused. Did half your prayers get answered or none. Did you pray after you stopped going to church? And God still listened? Pretty amazing if you ask me.

God isn’t random. I do find God in everything. Anyway, I have to go and pray for you and go to bed. Meet you here tomorrow?

has any one ever wondered why it is that in country’s where religion is dominate,education is low.this is true for all country’s around the world.now i can respect everyones right to believe in their beliefs that is your choice and right,but when certain religious groups start to force or scare people into their beliefs that is wrong.we are now in the 21st century,why people still fear religion is beyond me.remember all religion came from egyptian astrology then it became mythology then muslim,judaism and finally christianity.all are from the same place and all were created from man.the history of mankind is all of ours and should be respected that way.we are all human beings living on this small and beautiful planet.mass education is the ticket,war is redundant and weapons of mass destruction should not even exist.be water my friends be water

This thread interests me, not because it necessarily has some original thoughts that I’ve never seen before, or a new cynicism toward God, but because it’s been a while since I’ve read through one (you have to understand that I did my share of useless comment wars trying to prove my points back in the day). So I’ll take the leap and ask my questions. Please respect that I am interested in understanding where you come from, and not telling you you are wrong (even if I think you are).

For Ian:
In those 18+ years, did you at one point feel that God was in any way a personal being, or more like an untouchable, cosmic judge that was waiting for you to screw up?
Forget the coin flip story. At one point you genuinely prayed. What event was it that made you lose faith (if you choose to share)?
And… I don’t claim to have all the answers, but… What do you want to know about why I believe?

For MistaRIPsta210:
What was THE origin of everything? Big Bang? cosmic thunderclap? I mean, in the beginning, was there God, nothing, Gaia? I just want to know regardless of what happened between now and then, how did it get here in the first place?

MistaRIPsta210 :
God i hate how christians throw the word faith around like it holds some sort of significance.

The atheist police demand you re-word this sentence. After all, we shouldn’t have God in courthouses or schools.
Ian, mistaRIPsta210, if I were you I’d start another blog immediately about how the public should not be forcibly exposed to God in any public grammar.

Why are you so angry about God being in public places. Is it so horrible to teach kids not to lie, steal, kill, have sex with whoever? I don’t understand your anger against christians.

Duncan :FYI, Judaism predate Christianity, which in turn predated Islam. :)

ahh i luv fools like you,apparently you have no clear understanding of history or intelligence,judaism is older than christianity apparently jesus was a jew .although there is no historical writings of him ever existing during his apparent time.islam , buddisim ,and hinduism are all older then the first 2.back in the day what are you a 20 something punk ive got t shirts older than you.seriously if you want a clear understanding of religion and its history as a whole watch Zeitgeist on google video then watch Earth & then Home .then come to the under standing that religion and god are just manmade things generally used to control the masses.if your weak minded and need something to believe in,believe in yourself first then your fellow man,and this is the important part RESPECT this PLANET because this is the only place which can sustain life like we know it.be water my friend be water

Funny, the note in crayon!! Where is this guy’s sense of humor? And, oh yes, there is such a thing as freedom of expression in the US Constitution; all expression, even the expression I may not like.

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197&ei=VjNnS8WEBYjCqQL9tpC5Cw&q=zeitgeist&hl=en#

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqxENMKaeCU

here are 2 great free thinking documentaries a third is called Home 2009,

MistaRIPsta210 :

Kash :
I ask the question again though is why would you trust a scientist? They change their mind all the time, and their predictions are as dependable as the weather. Earth isn’t flat anymore, and what was that whole ordeal with the sun and the earth revlution pattern?
Ya ask me, they can’t be trusted!

Um, ask Galileo who was hellbent on the Earth being flat…

Speaking as someone who is neither for, nor against the practice of Faith, I like to think I am somewhat unbiased in a conversation like this. But then I look at the history of religion, I become biased against it. So I struggle to not judge people who believe, and largely succeed.

I have to say though, that I personally believe that there are no true religions. All religions, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Muslim, all, are no more true than Greek Mythology or the Roman Pantheon. They are phases, and they will, eventually, be viewed as such. If history has proven anything to us, it is that nothing is permanent, not even gods.

I mean, think about it, Christianity is an independent branch of Judaism, which is a belief that was adopted and adapted from another religion, that of the Shasu, the Polytheistic nomads of Egypt. To me, the very idea of a people taking another people’s God, and then changing it to suit themselves, writing histories to back up their claims, and then claiming that the God they themselves created is the best and only true God is laughable. Every religion claims to be the best and only religion, save perhaps Buddhism, and they have their own little problems to deal with.

Which brings me to my own lack of accredited faith. you see, I believe that faith is a way to live, not a path to heaven or hell. What you believe in is what you live by. So I pick and choose the values and truths that resonate with me, and I stick to them. However, as I am always changing, and I am always learning new things, my beliefs are fluid. I am as water, so to speak. Also, and this is important now, I believe that we all need to understand that the world we live in is not just the Earth, but the whole universe. Religious folks seem to forget that fact all too easily. There are exceptions, such as Johannes Kepler, who, using Tycho Brahe’ s astronomical observations, created Kepler’s Laws of Planetary Motion. Rather important, that.

But I digress. I choose to believe sciences evolution theory. That includes the big Bang. But because the Big Bang has yet to be explained, I have chosen to make my own theories. I believe, or at least believe that it is a possibility, that an entity, possibly God, or a God, caused the big Bang. which still leaves the question of who created the God, or entity. And that’s where I stop. Beyond that, I believe in myself, with an absolute certainty unshakable. I believe in the world around me, and if it’s not perfect, then I can try to make it a bit better, through my own actions. Some of the kindest, most giving people I know are Atheist or Agnostic, and some of the most selfish people I know are Christian. At the same time, I know many giving Christians, and selfish Atheists. It’s all the same to me.

I hope this was interesting, and perhaps made you think a little.

Does anyone else here have a life?

All christians aren’t crazy hypocrites. Just like all atheists aren’t all rapist’s and murderers. Some of us really do live what we believe. I just can’t see what is so horrible about someone being faced with the ten commandments in a public building. I do have to listen to the church of “f\u”. It’s called rap. It blares from cars all the time.

I don’t know why I picked rapists and murderers. I guess it was kind of silly. You have to start the religion of the flying spaghetti monster and get followers. Other wise it’s kind of wierd.

i hate internet forums. whats the point. love the dinosaur “sticker”, where did you get it?

Okay…. So I started to read the comments and realized… That you all are retards. Its a joke. Its funny. Dont analyze it. Look, laugh, stumble on.

Duncan :OK, I actually agree with your point that qualifying me beliefs at the end of my last post does weaken the position, and I hesitated writing them, but I’d rather you thought about what I said than dismissed me out of hand.
I hope you read everything else in my post because no where in there did I say that the point of “religion” is morality. I disagree. I think it is impossible for Christians, Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Atheists, or the followers or detractors of any religion to live moral lives. We are all equally in the wrong, and while we like to hold ourselves up as good people, we all do things that hurt others or ourselves, we act selfishly, and we all live lies. Yes, I want to decrease that behavior in my life, but I am not exempt from this description.
Truth: today I lusted after someone. It was not in her best interest and it was not for my self-edification.
Truth: today I lied to one of my friends. He still doesn’t know.
Truth: despite everything I do wrong, the sacrifice of Jesus makes me pure in the eyes of God.
Truth: I don’t deserve it, but he gives me that blessing anyway.
Yes, it does take faith to believe in something like an afterlife, but it also takes faith to walk out and live the life you live each day. You might just not view the things you take for granted as acts of “faith” because they are yours. The thing is, though, that my faith, what I know to be truth, what I read in the Bible, and what is known to be common knowledge about human nature and history somehow all line up neatly. Do I know everything? No, and I’ll be the first to admit it.
I’m not going to convince anyone by arguing, and I know it. It’s one of the reasons I’ve stopped posting on these types of forums. This post may even go entirely unread. I wish I could get to know you and show you the same friendship and love that was shown me by God. The thing is, I’m not out to contradict logic or science. I’m trying to complete it. I’m trying to break past the misconceptions you have about “Christians” and explain to you that the generalization you make about us is every bit as unfair as racial or gender discrimination. I don’t condemn you. I offer you what I know to be truth, and I want to learn about you as an individual. If you choose to ignore me, then that’s your choice.
God Bless.

Science and the bible dont line up. At all.There are many things science has proven to be fact, that the bible says just the opposite. The universe is nowhere near as perfect as christians try to make it out to be. From the moment the universe came into existence, the moment when the universe eventually seeks to exist, the percentage of that time that life actually existed will be like .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% To say that the universe is so perfect, that it was made to harbor life is ignorant.

I just want to throw out this quote again, because its just so perfect.

“The great Douglas Adams (of “The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy” fame) made a point that’s very pertinent to this idea. In his posthumous book, The Salmon of Doubt, he said, “Imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, ‘This is an interesting world I find myself in — an interesting hole I find myself in — fits me rather neatly, doesn’t it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!’”

He was talking about the evolution of life on Earth, and the hubris of assuming that, because we fit so neatly into our environment, therefore both we and our environment must have been specially designed. But his argument applies equally well to the cosmic version of the argument from design, every bit as much as the biological version.

The hole for the puddle of life on Earth has a maximum life span of about 5 billion years before it dries up. The hole for the puddle of human life on Earth has a maximum life span of about one billion years. In the life span of the universe so far, that’s pretty minor… and in the life span of the universe from here to eternity, it’s a tiny blip on the radar. It is the height of arrogant, human- centric hubris to assume that the entire vastness of the Universe — including planets and stars and galaxies that we can’t see and will probably never see — was deliberately designed by a loving creator so that the chemical process of life could, for a relatively brief span of time, come into being, and then flicker out again.”

Practice what you preach. Just because you don’t agree with something doesn’t make it right to go and tell others what to do.

The likelihood of this person actually having anything to do with the top of the food chain in this complex is slim to none, so I’m going to assume they don’t have any authority.

Assuming that they were offended because of the religious aspect, they still shouldn’t have said anything. The thing that irks me the most about people (yes, just people in general, not any specific sect) is that they care too much about other people’s business. The owner of the Toyota had every right to put such a sticker on their car and provided the author of the note has no authority, they have no right to take it off. If the author does take the sticker off, it’s damage to private property, WHICH IS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE.

Now, God wouldn’t want anyone to commit a crime. would he?

And, to be perfectly honest, it’s just a dinosaur eating a fish.

Humanity has assigned different meaning to fish, not God.

If I was the man, I’d tell that ambiguous person that I’m not fucking scared of him/her. When you give someone an ultimatum that has the same outcome in either option, there’s not much of a decision to be made. I’d force them to live up to their threat, then bring up a complaint with the Super.

shut the fuck up it was funny eat shit christian!!!

Wow, Really? :I certainly do NOT think we would be better off.
There are certain people in this world who do not understand the common want for peace. Who do not feel like we do, and do not understand each other as we do.
These ordinary people like you and I that you mentioned fight to protect the ideal peacefulness. We use that military budget to protect ourselves from those people that just like to watch the world burn.
And what do you mean you don’t believe in war? There are people out there who want nothing but power, and if you die in the process, they won’t bat an eye. So when they come to destroy, you and your non-existent war budget can preach peace to someone who isn’t interested.
A world-wide social evolution will have to occur before world peace can become a realistic goal. Until then, I’m keeping our military budget so I can continue to live in a place where I can believe what I want and not get thrown off of buildings for believing it.

true there are bad people who do bad things,but there are also good people who do bad things for bad people.war like religion is based on fear and hatred,do you not think it better to teach a person to fish rather than feed him,remember when the USSR was the enemy,we were taught about the tyranny and how bad it was,well it was all bullshit.your average russian was no different than u or i.except perhaps they were better educated than your average north american.you seem to have fallen for the propaganda war machine.since ww1 up to now every war that we have entered was all based on lies.from the sinking of the Lusitania to the womd in iraq.these distractions are all orchestrated by a handful of powerful people. Infamous Quote from Hermann Goering
“Why of course the people don’t want war. Why should some poor slob on
a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of
it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people
don’t want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in
Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the
country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to
drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist
dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no
voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,
and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the
country to danger. It works the same in any country.”so you see my friend its all bullshit. our elitist are no different,remember united we stand divided we fall.be water my friend be water

Duncan :OK, I actually agree with your point that qualifying me beliefs at the end of my last post does weaken the position, and I hesitated writing them, but I’d rather you thought about what I said than dismissed me out of hand.
I hope you read everything else in my post because no where in there did I say that the point of “religion” is morality. I disagree. I think it is impossible for Christians, Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Atheists, or the followers or detractors of any religion to live moral lives. We are all equally in the wrong, and while we like to hold ourselves up as good people, we all do things that hurt others or ourselves, we act selfishly, and we all live lies. Yes, I want to decrease that behavior in my life, but I am not exempt from this description.
Truth: today I lusted after someone. It was not in her best interest and it was not for my self-edification.
Truth: today I lied to one of my friends. He still doesn’t know.
Truth: despite everything I do wrong, the sacrifice of Jesus makes me pure in the eyes of God.
Truth: I don’t deserve it, but he gives me that blessing anyway.
Yes, it does take faith to believe in something like an afterlife, but it also takes faith to walk out and live the life you live each day. You might just not view the things you take for granted as acts of “faith” because they are yours. The thing is, though, that my faith, what I know to be truth, what I read in the Bible, and what is known to be common knowledge about human nature and history somehow all line up neatly. Do I know everything? No, and I’ll be the first to admit it.
I’m not going to convince anyone by arguing, and I know it. It’s one of the reasons I’ve stopped posting on these types of forums. This post may even go entirely unread. I wish I could get to know you and show you the same friendship and love that was shown me by God. The thing is, I’m not out to contradict logic or science. I’m trying to complete it. I’m trying to break past the misconceptions you have about “Christians” and explain to you that the generalization you make about us is every bit as unfair as racial or gender discrimination. I don’t condemn you. I offer you what I know to be truth, and I want to learn about you as an individual. If you choose to ignore me, then that’s your choice.
God Bless.

So you know, I did read your entire post. (All of these posts actually) The rest of your post I disagree with because of a differing opinion of what God is/should be/would be (whatever you want to say). I take God to be an omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent being. If God were to exist, it wouldn’t matter if man caused all of its own troubles. Each individual person if they are innocent should not be put through the wrong doings of others and have miserable lives because of other people. That is against the definition of God that I hold. It is very possible that God is not that if He exists. If so, then I am wrong. I, however, from the course of my study of religion find that to be the common definition from the religion texts from my interpretation. I may also be wrong in my interpretations.

From my understanding, you have a modified definition of God that represents the current world and also somewhat fits into the religious texts. I think when it comes down to it, I have a much higher standard for what God should be, possibly too high.

It is nice to see that there are some people out there that are not completely close-minded to others’ ideas. It raises my hope for humanity a notch. :)

P.S. I didn’t assume you said anything about the connection of morality and religion. That is just the most common defense for religion, and I was using that as part of my argument to eliminate the biggest arguments for the use and adherence to religion. I think everyone should just follow the motto of “You only have one life. You do not need religion to be a good person. Being a good person usually makes your life better.”

Locke003 :Johnny it’s a dead arguement and you misspelled “Ad Hominems” “s” is required.

Look, if you’re going to criticize someone’s use of Latin, you should know what you’re talking about. Johnny spelled the term correctly. Adding an “s” is incorrect. “Hominem” is the singular accusative form of the noun “homo,” which means “man” or “person.” “Ad” means “to” or “toward” and modifies “hominem.” “Ad hominem” therefore means “toward the man” and is a very good description of the type of informal fallacy made when you attack the person rather than their argument – it is, quite literally, an argument directed “toward the man.”

The ending “-ems” that you suggest is not in any way a valid ending for a Latin noun, except perhaps for some irregular words in the nominative or vocative case, and none come immediately to mind. Certainly “homo” can never be modified in this way. Undoubtedly you’re thinking of the term “homo sapiens,” where the final “s” is required.

So, in short, make sure you know what you’re talking about before you open your mouth.

I love the sticker. where can I get one?

It looks to me as if the Reptilans are destroying Jesus.
I would rip that Thing right off that car and throw it where it
belongs..in the garbage.
Bob Dylan said it best when he said: “You have to serve somebody. It may be
the Devil or it may be the Lord, but you have to serve someone.”

I thought it worth noting that, as of today, this emblem is sold out on Sticker Giant.

YAWN

http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=31368

is this religious tolerance?

Its very fitting that that note is written in crayon.

feisty thread.. there is no right or wrong. there just is.

boogally woogally. if you cant see the value of this statement, you have done much thinking, and desecrated the gift god has given you. think about that yall ;)
believes be lies

lol @ Locke003

“…then you may continue you rebuddle, and i will admit defeat, thanks, and in the mean time enjoy your own beliefs… cause that’s all the are, (not fact).”

“rebuddle”! For a guy that wants to go around correcting spelling (in latin, no less), you have a pretty weak grasp on english yourself. Not to mention the use of commas. Dipshit.

…but was T. Rex piscivorous?

think i’m a little late to the party.
Arguing over the internet with strangers, sounds pretty AWESOMMEEEEE!!
…
before I stumble on, i’d like to add that nothing is truer nor purer than Love. try it. It overrules science or any kind of religion – (now thats a fact boys & girls)
Hey Forum, this is what i believe:
“Prayer is not a virtuous decoration, it is the breath of the human soul.” be real with God and he will be real with you.
i live with christ in my heart :) it’s unlike anything i could ever explain, something you could only experience to understand.
So as a christian i obviously see a dinosaur eating jesus, but then again i see a dinosaur rebelling against his carnivorous nature and becoming a vegan.. or whatever that word is when fish is the only meat you eat.. so maybe the owner of the toyota eats only fish as meat, and figures that someone is strongly against such values.. haha makes for a silly story

well goodbye strange forum world, it has been nice.

mista ripsta: go get a coffee. you’ve put far more effort into this discussion than it deserves. you waste your time trying to debate the faith of others. faith isn’t bound by the rules of logic or reason. faith is, by definition the rejection of reason in favor of blind adherence to belief. yes, i know they try to present their arguments in the language of reason and logic. they may even believe that by rationalizing their beliefs they are ‘reasoning’. but faith is not reasonable and therefore cannot be debated. any attempt at such an endeavor is a farce. you do not further the cause of reason by engaging them and you know you won’t convince them so what is there to gain?
the truly faithful acknowledge that there can be no rational basis for faith, but they don’t get into these discussions, now do they?
anyway i’m sure your energy could be put to much better use.

mista ripsta: i just refer all the religitards to aron ra’s vids on the topic. he argues far better than you or i do. he also has has the sources to cite for things we just take as common knowledge.

Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree…

If you are an adult, believing in fairy tales, you are an idiot. Case closed. What the hell is the debate all about?

I’m beginning to believe that religion (or at least the christian religion) is dying. There is a lot more pro-evolution comments on this page than pro-creation, and I see more evidence of atheism all over the place. All of the posts that are pro-evolution are well thought out and intelligent. This leads me to believe that we are in fact ‘evolving’ as people. The religious aren’t surviving long enough to breed (because they are less intelligent) and therefore are not passing down there ‘religious’ genes. While the intelligent, science-minded are.

you modern atheists are the gayest thing ever. you’re worse than the religious nuts you despise and, accordingly, should go live in cuba.

i just want to say, i just had the best 20 minutes reading you guys conversations! I just stumbled on this picture and thought it was hilarious, but scrolling down and reading on just made me laugh out loud,so much my husband had to come see what i was doing. some of you writing whole books, others writing one words sentences, all fighting over what we are at war with now: all about religion. Its just ironic, i spent a tour in iraq fighting with people who want to kill us because they believe WE are wrong, and yet we fight a similar war here with people who dont kill us (well….most of the time) but get so mad our faces turn beat red because….you guessed it! they dont believe what we belive. funny how life is full of hypocrisies… “JUST A THOUGHT” (i read that alot)

OH ROFLMAO! You monkeys crack me up :P Kick out the Jammmz all B-CUZ the lady don’t dig dinosaur stickers on te back of that little Toyoda piece of scata!!!

Satan :OH ROFLMAO! You monkeys crack me up :P Kick out the Jammmz all B-CUZ the lady don’t dig dinosaur stickers on te back of that little Toyoda piece of scata!!!

It’s a corolla hatchback just in case you were wondering and I’m asking $13,000

Satan :

Satan :OH ROFLMAO! You monkeys crack me up :P Kick out the Jammmz all B-CUZ the lady don’t dig dinosaur stickers on te back of that little Toyoda piece of scata!!!

It’s a corolla hatchback just in case you were wondering and I’m asking $13,000

I’ll throw in the dinosaur and a few copy’s of the king James new testament for anyone not wishing to accept that they are primates.

So if the car owner doesn’t remove the dinosaur, the offended note-writer will steal it. Isn’t there a commandment that frowns on that kind of thing.

Just a shout out to Ian for this site. Stumbled here myself and I dig it. Another shout out to MistaRIPsta210 for stepping to the plate for logic, observation, and reason. I was born with the ability to use these tools and I refuse to discard them. I was born into a catholic family and I can remember asking my mom around age ten, is God real? and if he is which religion is correct? She replied “you have to decide for yourself. Read up, make you own decisions.” Thank goodness for an open minded mom. That was about 1973 and for the last almost 40 years I did just that. I am, in fact, still doing that. For me, religious arguments fall flat. There is absolutely no evidence for god, while there is quite a bit of evidence for gravity, evolution, big bang, etc. To me, ignorance and fear are the true devils for any thinking being. They also happen to be the pillars of… well, the big 3 religions. Anyway, coincidently, they also are the foundations of oppression and exploitation. Free thinkers are much better company. Sorry, if this is disjointed, I just woke up and haven’t finished my first coffee yet.

Everyone is so quick to judge. Who cares which religion came first? And I don’t believe all atheists are rapists or bad people. But if this is all there is, what stops everyone from doing whatever they want? Raping, stealing, killing, etc…???? Guilt maybe? Or knowing what’s right or wrong? You know when you do or think something wrong. There’s always that voice inside you that reminds you. Where does that voice come from? ET? How lonely would we all be if this is all there is. I grew up a Christian. But there was a time when I really questioned everything. I NEVER FELT SO ALONE IN MY LIFE. I know I’m not alone. He is always with me, and He is always with you. Faith is a gift to treasure. Without it, you have nothing. Faith in yourself, in your family, in your friends – In HIM.

All I can say is – I’ve subscribed to your blog and thank the gods for Stumble

Which may or may not be true, who really knows?

While I know it will not make a difference, I feel I should point out that it’s not the flawed logic that’s the issue (asserting a higher power /because/ of a lack of knowledge and any trace of a designer), it’s the motivation for pushing these “hypotheses” into the public and politics – causing segregation in society by creating an “us vs. the rest” scenario and sacrificing science and education in the process of what’s basically a marketing stunt for a highly profitable enterprise by consolidating membership for an already economically and politically successful cult.

Of course, like I said, these facts have been out in the open for thousands of years and aside from a revolution that overthrew the church’s monopoly and political vicegrip on Europe several centuries ago, the situation will never change – the Bell curve goes both ways and you should keep in mind that if 95 is the median IQ, 50% of the population is below that.

In short, it’s pointless to even pursue the subject and I can’t believe I’ve already written this much on it.

Just to add some fuel to the discussion. Since the popularising of the internet movie ‘Zeitgeist’ a lot of people are repeating many of the stated ‘facts’ without checkingt he accuracy of them let alone the authority of those who make the claims.

Here’s an short clip that attempts to answer some of the issued raised by the zeitgeist movie:
http://www.publicchristianity.org/Videos/zeitgeist.html

does the truth scare you,ive seen the anti Zeitgeist videos and they seem to try and do a lot of damage control for the sake of religion.what Zeitgeist does is explain the history of religion as a whole.the things said about 9/11 are not proven facts ill give you that,however the answers from the government are totally incomplete and unacceptable.(they spent over 100 million to impeach a president for a blowjob,but only 10 million on one of the worst attacks on American soil,and where did all that gold disappear to?)what is said about the monetary system is totally true and can be found in any of your American history books.i think the jest of the movie is to make you think and question the government.we here in north america have a very good life compared to the rest of the world,considering we are only about 20 % of the world population we consume about 80% of the natural resources and waste nearly half of that,there are to many things in this world that are done or not done because of religion and the monetary system.remember 99% of people in this world are good decent hard working people its that 1% that like to fuc it up for the rest of us.be water my friends be water

All you people talking about religion might as well be nit pickin’.

here is some of the writings of the Zeitgeist movement heres the link for more http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?Itemid=50
The Goal

The Means is the End:

We intend to restore the fundamental necessities and environmental awareness of the species through the advocation of the most current understandings of who and what we truly are, coupled with how science, nature and technology (rather than religion, politics and money) hold the keys to our personal growth, not only as individual human beings, but as a civilization, both structurally and spiritually. The central insights of this awareness is the recognition of the Emergent and Symbiotic elements of natural law and how aligning with these understandings as the bedrock of our personal and social institutions, life on earth can and will flourish into a system which will continuously grow in a positive way, where negative social consequences, such as social stratification, war, biases, elitism and criminal activity will be constantly reduced and, idealistically, eventually become nonexistent within the spectrum of human behavior itself.

This possibility is, of course, very difficult for most humans to consider, for we have been conditioned by society to think that crime, corruption and dishonesty is “the way it is” and that there will always be people who want to abuse, hurt and take advantage of others. Religion is the largest promoter of this propaganda, for the “us and them” or “good and evil” mentality promotes this false assumption.

The reality is that we live in a society that produces Scarcity. The consequence of this scarcity is that human beings must behave in self preserving ways, even if it means they have to cheat and steal in order to get what they want. Our research has concluded that Scarcity is one of the most fundamental causes of aberrant human behavior, while also leading to complex forms of neurosis in other ways. A statistical look at drug addiction, crime and incarceration statistics, finds that poverty and unhealthy social conditions comprise the life experience of those who engage in such behavior.

Human beings are not good or bad… they are running, forever changing compositions of the life experience(s) that influences them. The “quality” of a human being ( if there was such a thing ) is directly related to the upbringing and thus belief systems they have been conditioned into.
be water my friend be water

certainty is as much the enemy of truth, as a lie.

firstly, no one knows anything beyond their own experience (solipsism) and secondly, no one cares what anyone else thinks.

people who bicker about what is essentially ‘unknowable’ to the finite, human mind should be lined up against a wall and shot.

the dream of science is that everything be ‘sayable’
the dream of religion is to encapsulate the population under one banner.

I hate you all, human beings have separated from the whole and are multiplying like fucking cancer cells upon the earth.

THIS SPECIES WAS DOOMED FROM THE START, HUMAN EXTINCTION, DEATH TO US ALL.

“So you’re offended. So fucking what?”
Stephen Fry (talking about religious objections to free speech)

Locke003 :Johnny it’s a dead arguement and you misspelled “Ad Hominems” “s” is required. but still, there is nothing logical to back up either claims. your belief is that something in space went “Bang” and now we have earth. congratulations, we believe that a big man in the sky made us… either way, arguing it is retarded because we are both on a belief standpoint, from which, NO PROOF CAN BE DERIVED. so when YOU come back with some SOLID evidence… not what scientists “THINK” happened. hence, (A THEORY) then you may continue you rebuddle, and i will admit defeat, thanks, and in the mean time enjoy your own beliefs… cause that’s all the are, (not fact).

You need to understand something, and others have already said this: “Theory” in scientific terms is not the same as ‘theory’ in a mystery novel or detective show. It is something that has been on trial over and over again and still stands up. Second, the dinosaur man has every right to put what he wants on his car just as religious folks can put up their fish as a personal statement about themselves. It’s absurd that you think someone should feel fine about putting up a bumper sticker supporting their political candidate and yet not the dinosaur, because, cheese and rice, someone might get offended

How do you feel about this: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XFucCBjbs5Y/SaToYyQFckI/AAAAAAAAATs/eLp9JiK7APQ/s400/AE-106-GS_detail.jpg

darwin fish being eaten by a faith fish.

Yes, Atheists can be disrespectful, but you should never, ever claim Christians cannot. Westboro Baptist Church? Before you claim ‘they aren’t true believers’ well why not? Also, just remember, not every atheist is running around throwing away bibles and yelling at believers.

….. i was going to try and say something, in regards to my opinion on the matter of creationism vs. evolution, but, seeing as this thread is really long already and most of what I was gonna say has been said, here’s all I got. The lady who wrote the note is very stupid and entirely in the wrong. I live in America and I should be able to spray paint “GOD IS A FAG!” across the side of my car if i want to. Free speech, separation of church and state and all that.

What a nonsense! Three times it, first one is response to this funny sticker and two others are you theists and atheists arguing about nothing. Why you people in USA can not ever make difference between knowledge and belief? I’m an atheist but many of my friends are liberal christians, buddhists and muslims. Keep sight in something that really matters.

Can we say hidden camera and a lawsuit. That’s premeditated destruction of private property.
Do you hear that?? That sound….??? It sounds like………like……. like the sound of money $$$$$$$ lots and lots of MONEY.
Muhahahaha

Awwwwww…somebody doesn’t understand what free speech is…how pathetic. Why is it always the religious kooks who preach tolerance that have issues with bumper stickers? Does it lessen their faith, seeing images like this? Maybe it’s time to go shopping for a new god, if a little plastic dinosaur makes them this unhappy.

I had the Darwin fish with legs on my car and got keyed multiple times, had to take it of

The reason atheists hate on religion is because you religious people shouldn’t believe in a god, your wrong, you cant even argue. Its like being told 2+2=5 and believing it, its wrong but you believe it anyway. All they ever say is you just gotta have faith, but when i was a kid i believed in Santa and the Easter bunny but that didn’t make them real. When i tell christians that there were at least 10 other religions that they stole the whole jesus story from they just dismiss it as primitive religion. Now that my post is relative, i have a sticker on mine that says “f*** jesus” and people get so mad at me all the time some lady the other day is telling me im gonna burn in hell with the fags, i just laughed like that doesn’t exist your a moron.

Locke003 :Ok, athiests are so inconsidereate about the subject of religion. hold on now hold on… Before you get all barking mad, let me explain. many religious followers are very tolerant of others and their beliefs. i do not poke fun at or mock the fact that atheists have no god do i? if someone has an “i love jesus” sticker on their car, it does not mean “I love jesus (and and if you don’t then hmm you can go fuck yourself.” no, it simply means what it says. If i was in ireland, and wore a shirt with an american flag on it… is it disrespectful? no you dunce. it is simply what i am interested in. now if a christian has a sticker on their car depicting an athiest being stabbed by a cross… then by all means… take issue with it. don’t be so narrow minded about your topic of atheis or whatever religion you may be, just because some took offense to a very offensive sticker. thank you.

Wow. I’ve got to say… I just read both pages of this thread in their entirety after–of course–stumbling upon this site, and I would simply like to suggest to whoever comes next to read it all and think logically and with reason, even if you consider yourself one of those faux “tolerant Christians” who only cherry-picks out of that book written by a bunch of sheep-herders and power-hungry fear-mongerers.

Yes, Mista Ripsta has a lot of time on his hands and may not be as eloquent as you’d like, but at least he’s studied up and backs up his statements with evidence (and numerous educational links). Hence, to ALL of you intolerant fairy-tale believers (yeah, I said it, not just the Christians… Muslims, Jews, and Zeus-believers alike), growing up, were you taught how to THINK or how to BELIEVE?

Some people really need to lighten up i cant beleave a simple bumper sticker that i must admit i didn’t think was anything more than a dinosaur eating a fish until i read down could spark such debate. I live in Ireland a very God fearing country and i think i would be hard pressed to find someone to take offence to it.

You’re all gay for arguing about a dinosaur online.

Also, there is no god. Get over it.

GUYS GUYS GUYS!!

Clearly all this bickering and infighting between the morans of the intarwebs is totally useless and completely uncalled for!

Not only is this note’s contents nullified because it’s written in fucking crayon, and probably by a woman, who must have a kitchen window that overlooks the parking complex. This is CLEARLY a photoshopped image, you can tell by the pixels in the “Y” of Toyota. I should know, I’ve seen a number of shops in my day, and this one is fairly good, but still detectable.

Brrrandon!
This is CLEARLY a photoshopped image, you can tell by the pixels in the “Y” of Toyota. I should know, I’ve seen a number of shops in my day, and this one is fairly good, but still detectable.

Hahahaha – I’m surprised it took that long before someone cried ‘photoshopped!’

@all – thanks for the laugh guys and galls – I’ve not had as much fun since the early days of CoFSM. I might hang around for a bit if that’s ok.

Interesting that it’s written with a crayon.

Cait :Just as Christians shouldn’t lump together “non-Christian”, “heathens”, and “any other religion”, we ask that you don’t confuse all Christians. Firstly, there are dozens of different branches of Christianity, but we are considered Christians because we belief Jesus is the Messiah. However, our views, actions, and doctrines differ within each sect.
It is unfortunate that there are some who preach the Gospel but fail to live it. I would like to apologize on behalf of those Christians you may have experienced in your lifetime who have caused you to believe we’re all ignorant, small-minded, and arrogant. I promise that there are some of us who are actually trying to be Christ-like, but, as you may know: Nobody’s perfect.

How does this pertain to the story? I understand that not all christians are bad but over all you theist are the source of most major issues and some minor ones. So I think the best thing you could do as a christian in this forum is explain what this person is supposed to do to protect their property and their freedom from your fellow christians. Also I’d like to know what you as a christian do in your community to stop these things or do you just look away as you christians torment non christians. All I ever here from christians is deflection. You need to start taking responsibility for the actions of your group because no one else will. I believe that religion is a serious problem for modern society and unless it can prove its worth then it needs to be eliminated. This is one of the only things I agree with the Chinese government on.

Science IS Spirit, God, Godess, Alah, Great Spirit, Creator etc.etc.etc.It’s all one. It’s all energy. We are all part of the same soul or spirit. This physical experience we have on planet Earth is for us to FEEEEEL. To Enjoy beauty or not see it. to learn-or not. To know love- or not. Always a choice. That’s the test, and the lesson and the experience. On this physical plane of Earth we can evolve and become in balance, or use to destruction the recourse, like a mold eating it’s host. Our Choice. That’s the positive and the negative of it. the good and evil, whatever words. Our choice. It’s still ALL ONE. That’s what God is right? Everything? then we are part of it. Not seperate. That’s what science is, right? All molecules? Not seperate. Always the same in always changing…We can tap into the energy…or not…our choice…No blame. Even the Bible tells us not to judge.

If we are free, we can make the choices, and speak our truth. Our constitution gives us the right to announce our truth. don’t like it? Too bad.

Thou shalt not steal. Though, I suppose they could just rip it off and leave it, for some reason I don’t think that’s what they had in mind.

Also, this is quite intolerant of her. It is a bumper sticker, it shouldn’t be affecting her in any way.

For everyone who claims that atheists are the bane of the earth, and that a Christian would never do something offensive to an atheist: http://newheights.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/darwin_fish.jpg

Now, I find it hard to believe that any self-respecting atheist would be seriously offended by this. Even if they were, I doubt they would pursue it to this point.

That said, Christians have done far more offensive things, like you know, picketing funerals: http://www.godhatesfags.com/

Oh but that’s right, they aren’t real Christians.

What about the Klu Klux Klan?

What about traditional Christians and their intolerance and persecution against homosexuals and atheists? Boy Scouts promote intolerance in the sense that they will not allow atheists and homosexuals to become members, yet they receive money from the government. It isn’t all black and white. There are intolerant, offensive, asshole theists. There are intolerant, offensive, asshole atheists.

i’m sorry but i don’t get the significance of the dinosaur sticker?

how is it an “insult” to christianity?

As a precursor to what I’m about to say, I respect all religions. I have done extensive religious study in ALL religions, but I personally don’t believe in any supreme being. I have no chosen religion, however, I cannot say that I am atheist or agnostic. I am undecided. I am speaking strictly from a historical and educational standpoint.

Gods of any form, whether it be monotheistic, polytheistic, pantheistic, etc. were originally created to explain natural phenomena. Ancient Romans and Greeks created their gods, Apollo, Athena, Zeus, Hera, etc. to explain unexplainable events that occurred. As did African tribes, ancient Egyptians, Hindus, and eventually Christians. And eventually, as these natural phenomena are explained, these gods, gods of sea, fertility, harvest, wisdom, are disregarded, declared fiction. Just as Hermes, Isis, and Ra are regarded as fictional, mythical, the Christian God, Hindu Krishna, Muslim Allah will all be proven unreal. It is the impossibly unproven truth. I know I will be met with cries of heresy, atheism, and probably dumbass, faggot (which is personally offensive as a gay rights activist), and plenty of other derogatory terms. However, you cannot deny the truth. If you believe in your God, tell me why the others cannot be real. Tell me why you don’t believe in all the gods. Tell me why ancient Romans, Greeks, Egyptians, Native Americans, Africans, believed in their gods. Why are they wrong? Disprove my statement. Gods are simply made up to explain what we have yet to explain ourselves. Did Apollo really pull the sun across the sky in his flying chariot? No, he did not. The sun crosses the sky because the Earth rotates. Therefore, Apollo isn’t real. And soon, the new gods will be disproven, just as Apollo.

I don’t know what’s going on with these huge blocks of text comments but (Probably people fighting over the internet, again..) I’d just like to say that sticker is AWESOME! I want one :)!

There is more than one issue here, but one isn’t ‘religion’- rather, that concern being addressed here is ‘fundamentalism’. Bobby Kenedy has it right, ‘if religion is the search for Truth, fundamentalism is the end of that search’… Fundamentalists (of any religion) actively and often militaristically prevent their followers – and often others – from pursuing truth…’WE are the truth! WE / OUR WAY is the Only Way! The Search is over! We have all the answers. And, in fact, if you keep pursuing Truth or question/challenge our dogma, we will end your life or at least try to make your life as miserable as we can – and that goes for your mother!’ So everyone, imo, who is threatened by fundamentalism is justified in feeling that way, and I, for one, can’t blame them for responding, even if it’s with a bumper sticker: it is right and justified to challenge everyone who seeks to prevent the discovery of truth. The dinosaur bumper sticker guy doesn’t know exactly how to successfully thwart fundamentalism; neither do I. What if that one-more bumper sticker WORKED?!? Did the job? Got us to the Tipping Point after which Fundamentalism faded into its rightful place in oblivion? We can all only try until the last our-way-or-else type has been rendered impotent. Of course, fundamentalists – Locke, say – are ony the second-most dangerous people in the world….the most dangerous are the Asamba bin Ladens and Karl Roves and James Dobsons and Constantines who have learned how to manipulate – and profit from – fundamentalists. Locke and your ilk – do you own a car? You must forthwith cease using it. Do you use an oven, have indoor plumbing, shoes, shirts or pants? You must also stop using these – you don’t ‘believe’ in them. The metalurgy, the chemistry…the SCIENCE from which all of these – AND the origin-of-the-universe theory AND the theory of gravity – all originate from ONE source: The Scientific Method. Here’s The Scientific Method, chalk-on-the-sidewalk for you: If I, here in North America (well, I’m in Spain now…but let’s say I’m home), go out in my backyard this afternoon and dig up a 50,000 year old human fossil, ALL of the books about humans-in-north-america have to be re-written. Over night. And here’s the kicker, Locke – they WOULD be… scientists – i.e. those who are searching for truth, and isn’t that most of us? – will desert a theory, no matter how dearly-held, in a heart beat simply owing to the presentation of new/valid/peer-reviewed (open to everyone) evidence. So if you can’t get behind the fact that no one had ever seen an atom before the first ‘atom’ bomb was triggered…turn in your car keys dude; you can’t have just the one (the car)…the car, the metal plumbing pipes in your house, your zillionaire ‘preacher’ friend’s private yacht…ALL from The Scientific Method. Deal with it.

This is the best thread I’ve yet stumbled upon!

Apologies aot — I’ve a cold, and I’m too achy to Check

Atheists talk too much. Keep the rational discourse to a minimum please.

I would leave the emblem and put a camera in my car

I remember when the adherents of another religion got all pissed off when someone made fun of their beliefs in a newspaper(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy) Most Christians I know used this incident to show how intolerant THEY were….People who claim to follow the “one true path” will never be able to admit when their wrong and that’s what is wrong with organized religion Q.E.D.

LOL you should totally tape that note to the inside of one of your windows for everyone to see.

Andrew :Actually a lot of christians accept the existence of dinosaurs. I’m an atheist but I recall Genesis God creating creatures that roamed the earth before Adam and Eve. They usually just have a problem with the idea of men coming from apes. That said anyone who can’t appreciate the humor in this sticker really needs to lighten up.

I meant to say “…in Genesis…”

Get a life! This is funny! It wasn’t meant, I’m sure for people who are lazy to get on here and argue about religion vs. science. Jesus Christ. (Pun intended.)

You should get another dinosaur emblem and attach it to the back of her/his car! I bet it would go unnoticed for weeks… maybe months. :D

yeaherno :I don’t think they are meant to be stuck on your nuts.

If removal went horribly wrong that might qualify for a darwin award.