Just because spell check is on doesn’t mean you don’t have to proof read.
Im not hating your website (or loving it for that matter) however, how can you expect to have your opinions heard when your initial statement is on the offensive?
Educate yourself and Stand UP for something as opposed to standing against another. Your opinions and views will be welcomed more freely. Its easy to bash, not so easy to support sometimes. I don’t disagree with you on everything, I just disagree with your way of going about it.
Hai everyone …
thanks to the organizers of this website..
I would like to point something.. i wont believe in god…i believe there is no such person called god
u would have the same belief isnt it?? so why do we want to blame a person who is not present???
Lets pass the message, the truth that there is no religion (irreligious).
It’s really depressing to be a Christian these days. I follow Jesus because he preached love, not hatred, and he taught acceptance. I believe that you can follow Jesus, and do his will in the world, even if you don’t believe in him. All you need to do is love your neighbor, and help those in need, and you will be rewarded, in this life and beyond. Try finding a Christian church that preaches that though.
Thank you for letting me know that there are others who see through fairy tales for adults. I would like to raise a point to ponder. I often think about how it would be much easier if I could believe the lie. All of life would be much easier if I was truly able to believe that. “its in God’s hands.” You know, the basis of the elixir of the masses idea. I really try to leave people alone with their beliefs, as I get older. Whatever helps you sleep at night. I have tried to not have a bias towards religious people, but I can’t help it the more religious you are the less intelligent I will think you are. It’s ok with me that I will die and simply push up daises, but I think that most of us need that to not be true. That is why I tend to shy away from theological arguements, their ignorance is their bliss. Via Com Dios
‘All of life would be much easier if I was truly able to believe that. “its in God’s hands.‒
I tend to disagree. If there were a God, it would make the atrocities and tragedies of this world much harder to swallow. This is a terrible place, and everyone knows it. The only ones who don’t are ignorant.
Kids are happy, right? I mean, give them something interesting to play with and they will be content for hours on end. However, as soon as they grow up and realize that this world is a world of responsibility and work, they become restless ingrates, looking to fulfill themselves with some external ideal. Sometimes it’s religion, sometimes it’s the opposite sex, and sometimes it’s material wealth. Sometimes it’s even drugs.
What I’m trying to say is that there are things much worse than religion. Sure it has killed a lot of people in the past, but that’s not really why you hate it so much. You hate it because you can’t stand the thought that someone else, who looks as hypocritical as you imagine you would feel, seems genuinely happy. You can’t stand it, because you believe it’s untrue. The truth is, you have no idea what is really out there. Until we understand how our universe came to be, we can’t really say for sure if God created us, or if we created Him.
Either way, I would imagine that none of you are heartless and cruel for heartlessness and cruelty’s sake, and such an inference leads me to believe that you wouldn’t take candy from a baby just because it’s unhealthy, and certainly not because you couldn’t enjoy it yourself. It makes the baby happy. Why are these people any different?
If they truly are ignorant, they deserve our forgiveness. Or, do you beat your children and send them to bed without dinner for honest mistakes?
“What I’m trying to say is that there are things much worse than religion. Sure it has killed a lot of people in the past, but that’s not really why you hate it so much. You hate it because you can’t stand the thought that someone else, who looks as hypocritical as you imagine you would feel, seems genuinely happy. You can’t stand it, because you believe it’s untrue.”
Religion is disinformation. Disinformation to me is worse than lying since it’s people who know they’re saying something that isn’t true and they say it anyway, just to mislead those that listen.
Look at assholes like Ted Haggard or Jerry Falwell, hell, even the pope convinces people that condoms are evil.
Also, I wouldn’t beat my children; nor would I send them to bed without dinner unless they knowingly did something wrong. Do something wrong once, you correct them and tell them not to do it again, if they repeat, then they deserve punishment.
As for comes to religion “It makes me happy” is not a valid reason to live a lie.
I love this kind of stuff. great works of art, and such originality. Wait, they stole that picture from us, the pastafarians. And it’s really funny, you see, our Holy Spaghettideity touches us to hold us down, at least he doesn’t watch us in the shower like xian God.
Stale beer is what comes out of the beer volcano in Pastafarian Hell. In addition, the strippers from the stripper factory all have STDs. At least in one version of Pastafarian hell.
Another version has Hell and HellLight. HellLite people are okay, they just have boring service industry jobs for failing to be pirates or being somewhat of jerks in their lives. There is a just and equitable redemption process in place for them. Actual FSM Hell is reserved for very few. They will do all the laundry, cleaning and heavy or unpleasant jobs that are there, and they will be Divided from the Pasta, the finest beverages and the fellowship of persons of good will and kind intent. There will also be a lot of boot licking involved…
However, one of the nice things about the FSM is that he would never send a good person to hell just because they did not believe in him. Once in heaven, they might have to take a remedial course in worship and piracy, but that’s it.
PS. I think this pic is hilarious. Being Pastafarian requires having a sense of humor, I don’t know what Nioate’s problem is.
Let people believe what they want to.
I hope you get stale beer.
whoa whoa whoa
We are letting people belive what they want…No one forces them to read this site. No one makes laws for them based on what is posted here…..Who do you think we are…..Christian?
It always depresses me when people write off something as untrue, without true investigation of it. I respect that some of those here are searching for truth, both atheist and Christians. I am also overjoyed to hear the thoughts and boldness of my fellow Christians.
Truly, if you search for truth as I do, don’t write Christianity and Christians off. Many Christians would love to discuss what you and ourselves have found in life, searching for what is absolutely true. Believe me, many Christians themselves do question their faith daily. If we do not question ourselves, how would we understand anything? God blesses those that test God’s word and who search for truth. So we should not idly bicker, but talk actively and peacefully with your brothers and friends around you! I encourage Christians to remain strong in fellowship, for each of us is not perfect as we are humans, sinners, and often hyprocrites (Corinthians holds plenty of examples). But together we stand strong and correct one another, knowing that through Jesus Christ we are cleansed of any and all transgressions. And
we welcome all to come and share our fellowship to search for truth together, in the good times and bad.
And I encourage my brothers who do not yet believe but wonder out loud their desire for truth. Visit a church, or even just talk to a Christian friend. There is only so much I can say in good time. And I also encourage you to read these verses, and to visit sites like http://www.notreligion.com.
May the peace, love, and grace of The Lord Jesus Christ be with you all.
imma going 2 cum n piss n ur eyes liberal fagget. then i will see u in hell. yes i am a christain. i believe that JESUS is OUR savoir. NOT MY savoir but OUR savoir GOD IS LIGHT
“I PRAY that GODs LOVING HAND OF WRATH does not find you.”
Sorry, but Love and Wrath coming from the same being means god is like “a husband that beats his wife to show her how much he loves her”.
“May the peace, love, and grace of The Lord Jesus Christ be with you all.”
How about just peace and love? Why does it have to be about a fictitious being all the time?
“imma going 2 cum n piss n ur eyes liberal fagget. then i will see u in hell. yes i am a christain. i believe that JESUS is OUR savoir. NOT MY savoir but OUR savoir GOD IS LIGHT”
For someone who calls himself a Christian, you sure have little in common with Christ.
“Why does it have to be about a fictitious being all the time?” –Ian
I hope you’ll see the grace of the Lord someday. What makes you believe that the Lord is fictitious?
P.S. Where are these Christians coming from with so much filth in their mouth? Ted, what’s the deal? First, you are not to judge others (specifically, the Greek translation uses “condemn”). Discern and correct, yes, but not condemn. Second, Liberals serve an important part of American political belief’s and many serve well in government. You cannot simply write off any “liberals” or “conservatives” because they are “liberal” or “conservative”. Ian has a point.
Mensajero, nothing makes us beleive the Lord is fictitious. Its just that nothing makes us believe the Lord real. Do you believe the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists?
Religion is a lot more than the correct of incorrect beliefs of a group of people. Religion is a type of institution, just as government. At one time (and presently in a large number of places in the world) religion gave people their government.
Saying religion is “stupid” or a lie is the equivalent to saying government is “stupid” or a lie.
All things have “flaws”. It’s cruel and foolish to chastise others for their faults, whatever you seem them to be.
Be kind.
(On the other hand, I congratulate you for stirring up people and getting them to discuss… Hopefully they will use discourse and not resort to anger and untruths)
Philip: Religion no longer has any useful purpose in the world. It merely brings out (in some cases, the best in people, but in most cases) the worst in people.
first visit to your site. I will be back many times. I have been a non-believer all my life. I really can’t fathom anyone taking a book of mythology seriously, even if it contains some historical and geographical facts, so does the Greek myths and the Roman and the Norse ones also. Knowledge is the enemy of religion because with it people can think for themselves and this interfears with religions ability at mind control which all religion is just a form of mind control for its benefit.
You cannot possibly only believe (pardon the term) in just the things you can see, feel, touch… think, ponder, imagine develop – Do you “believe” in your self? And how did you come to be, think, imagine, ponder, blah, blah, blah?
On behalf of Christians who have wronged and judged any of you, I apologize. May the next Christian you meet simply love and serve you, as Jesus would have. Some of the stuff Jesus-followers are saying on here makes me more frustrated than you. It’s not my job or desire to judge anyone, so blessings to you, and always seek truth.
You’re close to the right track, although your arguments might be a tad sloppy and the grammar hurried. At least you’ve pretty well identified some logical problems with the currently popular God concept. These are sufficient to discredit that concept. Good work.
Being a logical sort of thinker, of course you realize that your arguments only discredit the particular concept you chose to pick on. They could have been picked up from “The Soul of Anna Klane,” a novel published 30 years ago. But I’ll wager that your arguments came from your own understanding.
Methinks that your next step is to read Michael Behe’s “Darwin’s Black Box,” which will offer you an interesting conundrum. By thoroughly studying a small, but investigatable subset of biological information, Behe shows that life, at least, cannot have “evolved” according to the mechanistic principles of Darwinism, leaving the inevitable conclusion that an “intelligent designer” is involved.
Behe does not specify the designer.
After reading him you will find that intelligence is a required component of at least the onset of biological life, which opens up additional possibilities. This does not discredit your anti-God logic. Putting your logic and Behe’s together, it would seem that there is a “God,” but not one who fits the definitions of current theology.
I’m interested in webmaster’s reply to this, likewise Ian’s, and others who have learned to construct grammatically correct sentences.
I will never read anything by Behe. His science has been completely corrupted by his indoctrination and is wholeheartedly biased. He’s got conclusions which he then proves with shoddy ‘science’.
Its as simple as this.
Atheists= Intelligent, witty, cocky, and steadfast. (general overview)
Religion believers: Stupid, insecure, think of themselves in the highest degree, un willing.
Anybody stupid enough to believe that “God” created us and all diversity in life is an idiot in my book. Atheists will be the only satisfied ones after death, because we know that there is no afterlife, no heaven no hell. No matter what you do in this life myou will end up in eternal darkness. No matter how much you “sin” or preach you will not go to heaven nor hell. There are probably a million examplesthat evolution took place and that the earth was created by a hail of meteors and a billion years worth of chemicals bonding and forming new organelles, not some stupid, half assed theory about how some magical man snapped and earth and animalsa and man was there.
Josh :I PRAY that GODs LOVING HAND OF WRATH does not find you.
I heard something similar to this once said, “loving wrath.” The context, however, was far from religion (maybe): a Dominant had said it to her submissive in a BDSM scene.
Therefore, god is into BDSM scenes on a cosmic scale. “Obey, or experience my loving wrath.”
Hadron :You’re close to the right track, although your arguments might be a tad sloppy and the grammar hurried. At least you’ve pretty well identified some logical problems with the currently popular God concept. These are sufficient to discredit that concept. Good work.
Being a logical sort of thinker, of course you realize that your arguments only discredit the particular concept you chose to pick on. They could have been picked up from “The Soul of Anna Klane,” a novel published 30 years ago. But I’ll wager that your arguments came from your own understanding.
Methinks that your next step is to read Michael Behe’s “Darwin’s Black Box,” which will offer you an interesting conundrum. By thoroughly studying a small, but investigatable subset of biological information, Behe shows that life, at least, cannot have “evolved” according to the mechanistic principles of Darwinism, leaving the inevitable conclusion that an “intelligent designer” is involved.
Behe does not specify the designer.
After reading him you will find that intelligence is a required component of at least the onset of biological life, which opens up additional possibilities. This does not discredit your anti-God logic. Putting your logic and Behe’s together, it would seem that there is a “God,” but not one who fits the definitions of current theology.
I’m interested in webmaster’s reply to this, likewise Ian’s, and others who have learned to construct grammatically correct sentences.
A book to put on my next reading list (currently reading Gina Welch).
Assuming there is an intelligence behind our universe, who, or what, designed this particular intelligence, and the intelligence behind that intelligence, ad infinitum.
CJ :On behalf of Christians who have wronged and judged any of you, I apologize. May the next Christian you meet simply love and serve you, as Jesus would have. Some of the stuff Jesus-followers are saying on here makes me more frustrated than you. It’s not my job or desire to judge anyone, so blessings to you, and always seek truth.
I have met both versions of Christians. I had attended a Baptist church of the intolerant kind for 10 years, pastored by my father-in-law. The doctrinal atrocities preached and practiced by them, as well as by others from many denominations, first prompted me to deny Christianity while defending Christ.
“Are you a Christian?” I would be asked.
“Depends,” I began my answer, “on what you know a ‘Christian’ to be. I accept Christ and reject man’s church.”
That went on until I began questioning the infallibility of the Bible. If the Bible is true and relevant in our time, in its entirety, then I am prohibitted from entering the church building as I was born with assorted defects. What was my sin? Those Baptists said I was paying for the sins of my father, but had no clue what sin that was. I questioned more and more, and the answers I received weren’t sensible, reasonable answers.
After drifting from church to church, the last church was ‘extremely’ Pentecostal. I became the subject of an exorcism on the second visit. With a deacon holding me from behind, the pastor began punching my stomach in an effort to dislodge the demon residing there.
That was the proverbial last straw for me. Religion carries no weight, and only a residual influence, in my life. Without religion, there’s no god. Without god(s), there’s only that which can be observed, experienced, described, measured, tested, verified, repeat ad infinitum. Having matured, I have discarded not only McDermatroid (imaginary friend from Kindergarten) but also Jesus (imaginary friend from church).
If any Christian asks to discuss this over coffee, I would agree on one condition. The waitress pour an additional cup of coffee. I pose the question: “Who will sit down and drink that cup last? McDermatroid or Jesus?”
Love that you put it out there…we non-theist types take a lot from the uneducated, good luck and have fun! Dan
Long live the truth, and those who seek it.
Just because spell check is on doesn’t mean you don’t have to proof read.
Im not hating your website (or loving it for that matter) however, how can you expect to have your opinions heard when your initial statement is on the offensive?
Educate yourself and Stand UP for something as opposed to standing against another. Your opinions and views will be welcomed more freely. Its easy to bash, not so easy to support sometimes. I don’t disagree with you on everything, I just disagree with your way of going about it.
Good luck!
Hai everyone …
thanks to the organizers of this website..
I would like to point something.. i wont believe in god…i believe there is no such person called god
u would have the same belief isnt it?? so why do we want to blame a person who is not present???
Lets pass the message, the truth that there is no religion (irreligious).
Let us all bow down before the Great Spaghetti Monster in the sky!
It’s really depressing to be a Christian these days. I follow Jesus because he preached love, not hatred, and he taught acceptance. I believe that you can follow Jesus, and do his will in the world, even if you don’t believe in him. All you need to do is love your neighbor, and help those in need, and you will be rewarded, in this life and beyond. Try finding a Christian church that preaches that though.
http://www.ihop.org/
Just wondering, how many possessions do you have? Are you really following him or do you just pick the parts of the bible that you like?
Thank you for letting me know that there are others who see through fairy tales for adults. I would like to raise a point to ponder. I often think about how it would be much easier if I could believe the lie. All of life would be much easier if I was truly able to believe that. “its in God’s hands.” You know, the basis of the elixir of the masses idea. I really try to leave people alone with their beliefs, as I get older. Whatever helps you sleep at night. I have tried to not have a bias towards religious people, but I can’t help it the more religious you are the less intelligent I will think you are. It’s ok with me that I will die and simply push up daises, but I think that most of us need that to not be true. That is why I tend to shy away from theological arguements, their ignorance is their bliss. Via Com Dios
‘All of life would be much easier if I was truly able to believe that. “its in God’s hands.‒
I tend to disagree. If there were a God, it would make the atrocities and tragedies of this world much harder to swallow. This is a terrible place, and everyone knows it. The only ones who don’t are ignorant.
Kids are happy, right? I mean, give them something interesting to play with and they will be content for hours on end. However, as soon as they grow up and realize that this world is a world of responsibility and work, they become restless ingrates, looking to fulfill themselves with some external ideal. Sometimes it’s religion, sometimes it’s the opposite sex, and sometimes it’s material wealth. Sometimes it’s even drugs.
What I’m trying to say is that there are things much worse than religion. Sure it has killed a lot of people in the past, but that’s not really why you hate it so much. You hate it because you can’t stand the thought that someone else, who looks as hypocritical as you imagine you would feel, seems genuinely happy. You can’t stand it, because you believe it’s untrue. The truth is, you have no idea what is really out there. Until we understand how our universe came to be, we can’t really say for sure if God created us, or if we created Him.
Either way, I would imagine that none of you are heartless and cruel for heartlessness and cruelty’s sake, and such an inference leads me to believe that you wouldn’t take candy from a baby just because it’s unhealthy, and certainly not because you couldn’t enjoy it yourself. It makes the baby happy. Why are these people any different?
If they truly are ignorant, they deserve our forgiveness. Or, do you beat your children and send them to bed without dinner for honest mistakes?
Seriously now, show some common sense.
“What I’m trying to say is that there are things much worse than religion. Sure it has killed a lot of people in the past, but that’s not really why you hate it so much. You hate it because you can’t stand the thought that someone else, who looks as hypocritical as you imagine you would feel, seems genuinely happy. You can’t stand it, because you believe it’s untrue.”
Religion is disinformation. Disinformation to me is worse than lying since it’s people who know they’re saying something that isn’t true and they say it anyway, just to mislead those that listen.
Look at assholes like Ted Haggard or Jerry Falwell, hell, even the pope convinces people that condoms are evil.
Also, I wouldn’t beat my children; nor would I send them to bed without dinner unless they knowingly did something wrong. Do something wrong once, you correct them and tell them not to do it again, if they repeat, then they deserve punishment.
As for comes to religion “It makes me happy” is not a valid reason to live a lie.
I love this kind of stuff. great works of art, and such originality. Wait, they stole that picture from us, the pastafarians. And it’s really funny, you see, our Holy Spaghettideity touches us to hold us down, at least he doesn’t watch us in the shower like xian God.
Let people believe what they want to.
I hope you get stale beer.
I’m lost. What’s this about stale beer?
Stale beer is what comes out of the beer volcano in Pastafarian Hell. In addition, the strippers from the stripper factory all have STDs. At least in one version of Pastafarian hell.
Another version has Hell and HellLight. HellLite people are okay, they just have boring service industry jobs for failing to be pirates or being somewhat of jerks in their lives. There is a just and equitable redemption process in place for them. Actual FSM Hell is reserved for very few. They will do all the laundry, cleaning and heavy or unpleasant jobs that are there, and they will be Divided from the Pasta, the finest beverages and the fellowship of persons of good will and kind intent. There will also be a lot of boot licking involved…
However, one of the nice things about the FSM is that he would never send a good person to hell just because they did not believe in him. Once in heaven, they might have to take a remedial course in worship and piracy, but that’s it.
PS. I think this pic is hilarious. Being Pastafarian requires having a sense of humor, I don’t know what Nioate’s problem is.
Hey Nioate, your comment contains just as much hypocracy as the bible.
I hope you get stale communion.
I PRAY that GODs LOVING HAND OF WRATH does not find you.
God’s “Loving” hand of “Wrath?”
Wow, you don’t need to be a physicist to get the irony in that.
Hey, isn’t wrath one of the 7 deadly sins? or is god exempt from sinning?
Let people believe what they want to.
I hope you get stale beer.
whoa whoa whoa
We are letting people belive what they want…No one forces them to read this site. No one makes laws for them based on what is posted here…..Who do you think we are…..Christian?
It always depresses me when people write off something as untrue, without true investigation of it. I respect that some of those here are searching for truth, both atheist and Christians. I am also overjoyed to hear the thoughts and boldness of my fellow Christians.
Truly, if you search for truth as I do, don’t write Christianity and Christians off. Many Christians would love to discuss what you and ourselves have found in life, searching for what is absolutely true. Believe me, many Christians themselves do question their faith daily. If we do not question ourselves, how would we understand anything? God blesses those that test God’s word and who search for truth. So we should not idly bicker, but talk actively and peacefully with your brothers and friends around you! I encourage Christians to remain strong in fellowship, for each of us is not perfect as we are humans, sinners, and often hyprocrites (Corinthians holds plenty of examples). But together we stand strong and correct one another, knowing that through Jesus Christ we are cleansed of any and all transgressions. And
we welcome all to come and share our fellowship to search for truth together, in the good times and bad.
And I encourage my brothers who do not yet believe but wonder out loud their desire for truth. Visit a church, or even just talk to a Christian friend. There is only so much I can say in good time. And I also encourage you to read these verses, and to visit sites like http://www.notreligion.com.
May the peace, love, and grace of The Lord Jesus Christ be with you all.
Revelations 2:2-4
James 1:5-6
2 Timothy 1:13
Acts 18:26
Acts 17:32
Acts 14:15
imma going 2 cum n piss n ur eyes liberal fagget. then i will see u in hell. yes i am a christain. i believe that JESUS is OUR savoir. NOT MY savoir but OUR savoir GOD IS LIGHT
imma gonna lrn 2 gt some a dat grammmmmeeeeeerz, and da spelling.
Seriously, spell your words correctly, and use better grammar, you’ll look like less of an idiot.
Also, a liberal is someone who likes change. Not exactly a bad thing.
the owner of this web sites loves little boys
“I PRAY that GODs LOVING HAND OF WRATH does not find you.”
Sorry, but Love and Wrath coming from the same being means god is like “a husband that beats his wife to show her how much he loves her”.
“May the peace, love, and grace of The Lord Jesus Christ be with you all.”
How about just peace and love? Why does it have to be about a fictitious being all the time?
“imma going 2 cum n piss n ur eyes liberal fagget. then i will see u in hell. yes i am a christain. i believe that JESUS is OUR savoir. NOT MY savoir but OUR savoir GOD IS LIGHT”
For someone who calls himself a Christian, you sure have little in common with Christ.
Lol, agreed.
“Why does it have to be about a fictitious being all the time?” –Ian
I hope you’ll see the grace of the Lord someday. What makes you believe that the Lord is fictitious?
P.S. Where are these Christians coming from with so much filth in their mouth? Ted, what’s the deal? First, you are not to judge others (specifically, the Greek translation uses “condemn”). Discern and correct, yes, but not condemn. Second, Liberals serve an important part of American political belief’s and many serve well in government. You cannot simply write off any “liberals” or “conservatives” because they are “liberal” or “conservative”. Ian has a point.
I’m still wondering why you wrote that I like little boys..
Uh…I didn’t.
Name copier probably.
Yep you can copy names.
Won’t this be fun.
Mensajero, nothing makes us beleive the Lord is fictitious. Its just that nothing makes us believe the Lord real. Do you believe the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists?
Religion is a lot more than the correct of incorrect beliefs of a group of people. Religion is a type of institution, just as government. At one time (and presently in a large number of places in the world) religion gave people their government.
Saying religion is “stupid” or a lie is the equivalent to saying government is “stupid” or a lie.
All things have “flaws”. It’s cruel and foolish to chastise others for their faults, whatever you seem them to be.
Be kind.
(On the other hand, I congratulate you for stirring up people and getting them to discuss… Hopefully they will use discourse and not resort to anger and untruths)
love the satire
good clean fun
Philip: Religion no longer has any useful purpose in the world. It merely brings out (in some cases, the best in people, but in most cases) the worst in people.
first visit to your site. I will be back many times. I have been a non-believer all my life. I really can’t fathom anyone taking a book of mythology seriously, even if it contains some historical and geographical facts, so does the Greek myths and the Roman and the Norse ones also. Knowledge is the enemy of religion because with it people can think for themselves and this interfears with religions ability at mind control which all religion is just a form of mind control for its benefit.
You cannot possibly only believe (pardon the term) in just the things you can see, feel, touch… think, ponder, imagine develop – Do you “believe” in your self? And how did you come to be, think, imagine, ponder, blah, blah, blah?
You’re right, I should believe in things that are completely beyond me and things I could not even begin to fathom. Good idea.
On behalf of Christians who have wronged and judged any of you, I apologize. May the next Christian you meet simply love and serve you, as Jesus would have. Some of the stuff Jesus-followers are saying on here makes me more frustrated than you. It’s not my job or desire to judge anyone, so blessings to you, and always seek truth.
You’re close to the right track, although your arguments might be a tad sloppy and the grammar hurried. At least you’ve pretty well identified some logical problems with the currently popular God concept. These are sufficient to discredit that concept. Good work.
Being a logical sort of thinker, of course you realize that your arguments only discredit the particular concept you chose to pick on. They could have been picked up from “The Soul of Anna Klane,” a novel published 30 years ago. But I’ll wager that your arguments came from your own understanding.
Methinks that your next step is to read Michael Behe’s “Darwin’s Black Box,” which will offer you an interesting conundrum. By thoroughly studying a small, but investigatable subset of biological information, Behe shows that life, at least, cannot have “evolved” according to the mechanistic principles of Darwinism, leaving the inevitable conclusion that an “intelligent designer” is involved.
Behe does not specify the designer.
After reading him you will find that intelligence is a required component of at least the onset of biological life, which opens up additional possibilities. This does not discredit your anti-God logic. Putting your logic and Behe’s together, it would seem that there is a “God,” but not one who fits the definitions of current theology.
I’m interested in webmaster’s reply to this, likewise Ian’s, and others who have learned to construct grammatically correct sentences.
I will never read anything by Behe. His science has been completely corrupted by his indoctrination and is wholeheartedly biased. He’s got conclusions which he then proves with shoddy ‘science’.
By the way, I am the webmaster.
hadron got a hardon from pseudo-science.
Notice that the existence of the FSM is not being denied, for truly he does exist. RAmen.
Eat His Noodliness’ vermicelli noodles, and ye shall be sauced with freshly ripe-tomato pasta. RAmen.
Its as simple as this.
Atheists= Intelligent, witty, cocky, and steadfast. (general overview)
Religion believers: Stupid, insecure, think of themselves in the highest degree, un willing.
Anybody stupid enough to believe that “God” created us and all diversity in life is an idiot in my book. Atheists will be the only satisfied ones after death, because we know that there is no afterlife, no heaven no hell. No matter what you do in this life myou will end up in eternal darkness. No matter how much you “sin” or preach you will not go to heaven nor hell. There are probably a million examplesthat evolution took place and that the earth was created by a hail of meteors and a billion years worth of chemicals bonding and forming new organelles, not some stupid, half assed theory about how some magical man snapped and earth and animalsa and man was there.
I heard something similar to this once said, “loving wrath.” The context, however, was far from religion (maybe): a Dominant had said it to her submissive in a BDSM scene.
Therefore, god is into BDSM scenes on a cosmic scale. “Obey, or experience my loving wrath.”
A book to put on my next reading list (currently reading Gina Welch).
Assuming there is an intelligence behind our universe, who, or what, designed this particular intelligence, and the intelligence behind that intelligence, ad infinitum.
I have met both versions of Christians. I had attended a Baptist church of the intolerant kind for 10 years, pastored by my father-in-law. The doctrinal atrocities preached and practiced by them, as well as by others from many denominations, first prompted me to deny Christianity while defending Christ.
“Are you a Christian?” I would be asked.
“Depends,” I began my answer, “on what you know a ‘Christian’ to be. I accept Christ and reject man’s church.”
That went on until I began questioning the infallibility of the Bible. If the Bible is true and relevant in our time, in its entirety, then I am prohibitted from entering the church building as I was born with assorted defects. What was my sin? Those Baptists said I was paying for the sins of my father, but had no clue what sin that was. I questioned more and more, and the answers I received weren’t sensible, reasonable answers.
After drifting from church to church, the last church was ‘extremely’ Pentecostal. I became the subject of an exorcism on the second visit. With a deacon holding me from behind, the pastor began punching my stomach in an effort to dislodge the demon residing there.
That was the proverbial last straw for me. Religion carries no weight, and only a residual influence, in my life. Without religion, there’s no god. Without god(s), there’s only that which can be observed, experienced, described, measured, tested, verified, repeat ad infinitum. Having matured, I have discarded not only McDermatroid (imaginary friend from Kindergarten) but also Jesus (imaginary friend from church).
If any Christian asks to discuss this over coffee, I would agree on one condition. The waitress pour an additional cup of coffee. I pose the question: “Who will sit down and drink that cup last? McDermatroid or Jesus?”
Eric, rambling