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		<title>Baby Drowns During Baptism</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Horray for pointlessly dangerous rituals! Baby Drowns During Baptism A priest in eastern Europe has been accused of drowning a baby boy as he baptised him. Police are investigating Father Valentin for accidential homicide after witnesses at the ceremony said the priest did not cover the baby&#8217;s mouth during the ritual, The Sun newspaper reports. Father [...]]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/7935406/priest-drowned-baby-during-baptism">Baby Drowns During Baptism</a></p>
<blockquote><p>A priest in eastern Europe has been accused of drowning a baby boy as he baptised him.</p>
<p>Police are investigating Father Valentin for accidential homicide after witnesses at the ceremony said the priest did not cover the baby&#8217;s mouth during the ritual, <em>The Sun</em> newspaper reports.</p>
<p>Father Valentin had denied being responsible for the baby&#8217;s death during the baptism in Moldova.</p>
<p>The six-week-old baby died on the way to hospital and an autopsy found he had drowned, the baby&#8217;s dad Dumitru Gaidau told Romania&#8217;s Publica TV.</p>
<p>Mr Gaidau, 36, said his son was clearly in distress during the ceremony.</p>
<p>&#8220;He couldn&#8217;t inhale, his face turned blue and he was foaming at the mouth. He [the priest] said we should not interrupt this their ritual,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>&#8220;We couldn&#8217;t believe it that he just put his hand over his belly and over the head and submerged him three times in the water.&#8221;</p>
<p>Water was found in the baby&#8217;s lungs.</p>
<p>The baby&#8217;s godmother, Aliona Vacarciuc, said the baby had been crying as the priest submerged him in the water.</p>
<p>&#8220;We couldn&#8217;t believe it but we thought the priest must know what he&#8217;s doing, but he didn&#8217;t. When we got him back there was nothing that could be done anymore,&#8221;<em>The Sun</em> quoted her as saying.</p>
<p>When the baby&#8217;s angry relatives confronted the priest, he told them he knew what he was doing and was experienced at baptisms, Ms Vacarciuc said.</p>
<p>If found guilty of accidental homicide, Father Valentin could spend three years in jail.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>100,000 secular Britons seek &#8216;de-baptism&#8217;</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[100,000 secular Britons seek &#8216;de-baptism&#8217; LONDON (AFP) â€“ More than 100,000 Britons have recently downloaded &#8220;certificates of de-baptism&#8221; from the Internet to renounce their Christian faith. The initiative launched by a group called the National Secular Society (NSS) follows atheist campaigns here and elsewhere, including a London bus poster which triggered protests by proclaiming &#8220;There&#8217;s [...]]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090330/lf_afp/lifestylebritainreligionatheismfeature">100,000 secular Britons seek &#8216;de-baptism&#8217;</a></p>
<blockquote><p>LONDON (AFP) â€“ More than 100,000 Britons have recently downloaded &#8220;certificates of de-baptism&#8221; from the Internet to renounce their Christian faith.</p>
<p>The initiative launched by a group called the National Secular Society (NSS) follows atheist campaigns here and elsewhere, including a London bus poster which triggered protests by proclaiming &#8220;There&#8217;s probably no God.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;We now produce a certificate on parchment and we have sold 1,500 units at three pounds (4.35 dollars, 3.20 euros) a pop,&#8221; said NSS president Terry Sanderson, 58.</p>
<p>John Hunt, a 58-year-old from London and one of the first to try to be &#8220;de-baptised,&#8221; held that he was too young to make any decision when he was christened at five months old.</p>
<p>The male nurse said he approached the Church of England to ask it to remove his name. &#8220;They said they had sought legal advice and that I should place an announcement in the London Gazette,&#8221; said Hunt, referring to one of the official journals of record of the British government.</p>
<p>So that&#8217;s what he did &#8212; his notice of renouncement was published in the Gazette in May 2008 and other Britons have followed suit.</p>
<p>Michael Evans, 66, branded baptising children as &#8220;a form of child abuse&#8221; &#8212; and said that when he complained to the church where he was christened he was told to contact the European Court of Human Rights.</p>
<p>The Church of England said its official position was not to amend its records. &#8220;Renouncing baptism is a matter between the individual and God,&#8221; a Church spokesman told AFP.</p>
<p>&#8220;We are not a &#8216;membership&#8217; church, and do not keep a running total of the number of baptised people in the Church of England, and such totals do not feature in the statistics that we regularly publish,&#8221; he added.</p>
<p>De-baptism organisers say the initiative is a response to what they see as increasing stridency from churches &#8212; the latest last week when Pope Benedict XVI stirred global controversy on a trip to AIDS-ravaged Africa by saying condom use could further spread of the disease.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Catholic Church is so politically active at the moment that I think that is where the hostility is coming from,&#8221; said Sanderson. &#8220;In Catholic countries there is a very strong feeling of wanting to punish the church by leaving it.&#8221;</p>
<p>In Britain, where government figures say nearly 72 percent of the population list themselves as Christian, Sanderson feels this &#8220;hostility&#8221; is fuelling the de-baptism movement.</p>
<p>Theologian Paul Murray at Durham University disagrees. &#8220;That is not my experience,&#8221; he said, but concedes that change is in the air.</p>
<p>&#8220;We are in an interesting climate where Catholicism and other belief systems have moved into the public, pluralist arena, alongside secularists,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>De-baptism movements have already sprung up in other countries.</p>
<p>In Spain, the high court ruled in favour of a man from Valencia, Manuel Blat, saying that under data protection laws he could have the record of his baptism erased, according to a report in the International Herald Tribune.</p>
<p>Similarly, the Italian Union of Rationalists and Agnostics (UAAR) won a legal battle over the right to file for de-baptism in 2002, according to media reports. The group&#8217;s website carries a &#8220;de-baptism&#8221; form to facilitate matters.</p>
<p>According to UAAR secretary Raffaele Carcano, more than 60,000 of these forms have been downloaded in the past four years and continue to be downloaded at a rate of about 2,000 per month. Another 1,000 were downloaded in one day when the group held its first national de-baptism day last October 25.</p>
<p>Elsewhere, an Argentinian secularist movement is running a &#8220;Collective Apostasy&#8221; campaign, using the slogan &#8220;Not in my name&#8221; (No en mi nombre).</p>
<p>Sanderson hopes rulings in other European countries will pave the way for legal action in Britain, since European Union directives require a level of parity among member states&#8217; legislation.</p>
<p>&#8220;That would be a good precedent for us to say to the British Information Commissioner: Come on, what&#8217;s your excuse?&#8221; said Sanderson.</p>
<p>The bus-side posters that hit London in January sported the message: &#8220;There&#8217;s probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life.&#8221;</p>
<p>The scheme was in response to pro-Christian adverts on buses directing passers-by to a website warning those who did not accept Jesus would suffer for eternity in hell.</p>
<p>Comedy writer Ariane Sherine, mastermind of the British bus campaign that saw a copycat version in Barcelona and other cities, said she backs the &#8220;de-baptism&#8221; movement but insisted the two initiatives were separate.</p>
<p>Sanderson meanwhile remains resolute. &#8220;The fact that people are willing to pay for the parchments shows how seriously they are taking them,&#8221; he said.</p></blockquote>
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